I have applied ReplayGain on a per track basis to most artists in my library using foobar2000. I have noticed that some tracks are still maybe 1.5db quieter than most, and some will be maybe 1.5db louder than most. I am not sure if this is concerned normal or not for ReplayGain. I found another post from Googling where it was suggested to clear the playback cache and then play media again, this seemed to make the difference less extreme (one song was probably at least 3db louder than most before), but I can still hear the difference.
The log that will be attached will have my drum practice playlist attached. It goes from one of my songs (James Hartman) to two blink-182 songs, where volume goes down slightly for the blink-182 songs. Then it seems to be about consistent for the next two of my songs. And then it closes with a Beatles song that is definitely louder than the rest (this is the one that used to be very obviously WAY louder before the playback cache clearing through advanced settings).
Any insight is appreciated.
Logs:
Upload description: james5272replaygaindebug.log
Additional information:
Not sure if I have done something wrong or if this is just as good as ReplayGain has worked. I have tried having ReplayGain normalization on (I believe it is -18) and off and really on a quick test I haven’t been able to tell a difference.
Reproduction steps:
I gave most of this in my initial post, but will retype it here.
Basically I tried having the log only record data from the drum practice playlist (named as such in Symfonium and hopefully shows the same in the logs). It starts with one of my songs (James Hartman), then goes to two blink-182 songs which are a bit quieter (pre-ReplayGain application they were louder, so it seems it has been applied in some manner), then it goes to two of my songs which are about the same volume. And then it finishes with a Beatles song that is louder than the previous two (it used to be a lot louder, it is not as much of an increase now, but still noticeable).
Weird, I remember doing them specifically. And when I put them in foobar2000 and tell it to apply ReplayGain tags, it says the files already have the tag. Is there a different program I should be using for tagging ReplayGain?
EDIT: Deleted the edit cuz… well I got out of bed to respond. I seem to do better composing at night than other things I am reapplying ReplayGain to The Beatles, then will do a sync and check again. And get back to you.
EDIT2: Still seems louder. I’ll try to remember to get you the log tomorrow, since I can’t upload through the app (it gives me an error) and can’t attach it to this message. If ReplayGain still isn’t applied, I don’t know what the problem is. If not then maybe some of the stuff I tagged is broken the same way.
Your issue sounds very similar to something I had going on. I am happy to help debug the issue for you, but, I would need a test file. Unfortunately, that’s not really possible though without breaking piracy laws. Unless you can tag a royalty-free song using same method and upload it somewhere?
Alternatively, if you have a way of running the following command on a file you suspect not having REPLAYGAIN_ tags and sending the output via DM then I could help:
What do I use to run that command? I’m on Win11. Sorry I didn’t upload the log today. I thought to check here now that I’m in bed listening to music. I’m trying to keep on top of basically 6 instruments (5 if you count electric and acoustic guitar as 1), as well as composing and recording… in addition to other life stuff. So don’t have as much time for troubleshooting as I used to. But will do what I can. I appreciate the help.
To be honest, if you don’t know how to install or use that command, then it’s probably the best just to upload the logs via the app. That is the easiest access to help, and, the dev can see exactly what is happening.
Gathering logs could not be any easier, so I’m not sure why you are not doing it If you cant upload via the app for some strange reason, then upload somewhere else and paste the link here.
To recap, so this thread doesn’t get too out of context:
Nobody can help you further without at least logs replicating the issue.
Symfonioum will apply replaygain if tags are present
Your tagging software might not apply replaygain tags if tags with 0 value are already present, this also results in 0 replaygain applied on app side.
Check out the search function in this forum, because there are many handled issues regarding replaygain not being applied.
The reason I hadn’t uploaded the log until now is time. When I hit upload from the app it says Error and something about seeing support if the file was over 100mb (it isn’t). So idk. So had to wait until I had time to do it at PC. Which I have now done. It’s james5272rg2.log. I am mostly just curious if RG is applied to the Beatles track now, if not… I am not sure, I guess I find other software to tag with?
EDIT: Okay, so perhaps I am reading the log incorrectly, but it seems it is still not seeing RG on The Beatles. I opened the song in MP3Tag and it shows RG applied to the track (~-7db). I am going to test something here, as soon as Symfonium finishes syncing…
EDIT2: So it is as I suspected. It seems RG tag changes don’t get applied on sync to downloaded media like other changes do. I deleted the Beatles song in question, did a manual sync just to be safe, then downloaded the song. It now matches the volume of the previous song. So I’m going to have to redownload all these artists again, and see if that solves the issue. Not sure if this is intended behavior or not, and if so if it can be adjusted to update these tags for downloaded as well. I will get a log here for the new song to confirm it is RG being applied now and not just placebo (though I feel I am very clearly telling the difference). Give me a few.
EDIT3: Log uploaded. I can see RG is being applied to The Beatles now. But, if you want to confirm, or if it helps with anything else, the log is james5272rg3.log
EDIT4: Okay, so while The Beatles is sorted out, it seems there is another track (and I am thinking there might be others I haven’t gotten to yet) that maybe isn’t properly applying ReplayGain. This is after clearing all my downloaded songs, resyncing so everything would have ReplayGain info for download, and then redownloading everything. I have uploaded the log, it is called james5272replaygaindoubledragon.log The outlier this time is a song from the Double Dragon Neon soundtrack (I actually haven’t checked the rest of the soundtrack, it just came up on shuffle and was LOUD). When I check it with MP3Tag, it has ReplayGain applied at ~-11db, and I see this in the log. But it definitely doesn’t sound like ReplayGain is being applied to this track. The log will have this track and one before it, We’re All Gonna Die, which seems to be having ReplayGain properly applied, so I made a 2 song playtest to use while testing this.
Oh, I didn’t see the description box at the bottom. I didn’t post cuz I didn’t want to spam you with notifications. And I was told to upload logs to get help… am told to upload logs when I don’t. Now I am being told to read them myself
Most of my library is FLAC or MP3. I will have to pay attention to making sure stuff is FLAC when I upload it now. There is one artist in particular that only sells his music in WAV for some reason. Through his own store. So I will go convert all his stuff here, and that Double Dragon album.
Yes the first time, when it was identified that the issue is about files missing the data then after that it’s not on me to check if you files now have the data So glad I missed the couple of edits in the middle.
But if I didn’t share that last log that showed RG was applied but it was obviously not working, I wouldn’t have known it was due to being WAV. Me looking at it myself is basically “It says RG is applied, I don’t hear it applied, Tolriq is telling me to look at my own logs, guess I won’t know what the problem is.” But you took a look and saved the day. I do edits and steps so you can get the process, if it’s helpful for you. If I don’t do detail, you might miss something. In this case, that just wasn’t an issue. Doesn’t mean it isn’t worth documenting.
Thanks. I’m not going to check my entire library for what’s WAV, lol. I’ll just correct things as they pop up as LOUD during shuffle. Hopefully this is all the issues in regards to this now.
New log uploaded. Description: james5272 Symfonium seemingly not seeing Victory Heat Rally track replaygain tag
This is another video game soundtrack. It is 320 MP3. When I check in MP3Tag, it says it is a ID3v2.3 tag, and it has ReplayGain info tagged on it (-9.52dB). I looked at the log, and it looks like Symfonium isn’t seeing the ReplayGain info for some reason. At least, from what I can tell. I tried retagging the ReplayGain info, then deleting the album from my downloads, syncing, and redownloading, but I can still tell it’s louder, and that was when I generated the log, and didn’t see the replaygain_track info for this song.
EDIT: Oh, also, I checked other MP3 albums, at least what I’ve checked has been volume levelled compared to other stuff that is also doing ReplayGain properly. So this isn’t a universal MP3 issue I’m having. So far, just this album, for some reason.
EDIT2: Okay, I went on shuffle, was skipping through a bunch of songs, it seems maybe not all MP3s are affected by this issue, but some are. I found another one that is definitely louder, I checked the logs, I don’t see the ReplayGain dB adjustments on it either. Also 320 MP3, also shows as tagged for ReplayGain dB adjustments in MP3Tag, this one is ID3v2.4. I won’t post another log with this track, unless you ask for it.
EDIT3: This is just a thought I had. It’s possible all my MP3s that are ReplayGain tagged aren’t being seen as such by Symfonium, but the reason some seem fine could just be because they weren’t mastered to be loud. So they’re squeaking by as ReplayGained when they aren’t. Possibly. I’ll have more time maybe in an hour or two to find an MP3 that seems “fine” and actually check the log to see if it has ReplayGain applied by Symfonium, and update here.
Gives me gruff about edits, does 2 edits himself… he is a dev. He edits code all the time. He should understand 1 idea leads to another. The brain does not think of everything at once. It’s called showing your work. I had to do it in school all the time. It shows the thought process. If I don’t explain it as I find it out, I might have to explain it later, and have to redo it to remember exactly what I did.
I have replay gain tagged royalty free song. I am just checking it myself before I send it to you.
But we are trying to reach a solution. For debugging purposes, a description of the problem (A) and the logs (B) is usually enough. Let’s not over complicate the process.
Otherwise we are turning in circles here.
Send me the track and I’ll have a look at it for you. Im not a dev of this project so I’m helping you because I feel I want to not because I have to.
This is what I see when I click your name. No message/chat option. I also went to your profile and can’t see anything like that. nomessage — Postimages
I am reapplying ReplayGain to The Beatles, then will do a sync and check again. And get back to you.
If you cant upload via the app for some strange reason, then upload somewhere else and paste the link here.
