Opus Replay Gain (R128) is quieter than the one is other problems REPLAYGAIN => make it even

Feature description:

Technically, Symfonium is doing things right, that’s why I wrote this as a feature request and not an issue.

It’s well known that the R128 standard is 5dB quieter than the most common replay gain implementation.
It’s explained by various websites but I think it’s best explaiened here: GitHub - complexlogic/rsgain: A simple, but powerful ReplayGain 2.0 tagging utility

A lot of players, to make the experience consistent, add artificially loudness to opus files so their perceived loudness matches other file types. I think it’s best explained here:
Auxio on Android just added it: Releases · OxygenCobalt/Auxio · GitHub
Foobar has always done it and it’s discussed here: https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,119791.0.html , among other threads

Could you change Symfonium to make loudness even? Or at least add a toggle for it? Switching from an opus file to a mp3 file is really painful ATM.

If you agree to add this feature, let me know if you want sample files.

Problem solved:

Problem is that all songs don’t have the same loudness if they are in different formats, which completely defeats the purpose of Replay Gain.

Brought benefits:

The perceived loudness will be the same for every file

Other application solutions:

Auxio: music: fix opus replaygain interpretation · OxygenCobalt/Auxio@07a9802 · GitHub

 

 

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I can add a setting to normalize between RG2 and EBU.

Please provide some sample files.

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Here you go: https://send.vis.ee/download/6b3038c88f57bd33/#pi11dZ7kWpDayUmSx6qnNQ
Here are the tags according to MP3TAG:
opus
R128_ALBUM_GAIN -3423
R128_TRACK_GAIN -3461

flac
REPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_GAIN -8.37 dB
REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN -8.52 dB

Note: I have this setting in foobar, if it matters for general compatibility: https://i.imgur.com/uddbmX6.png

(I quickly checked on my phone and I can confirm the flac file sounds louder)

As far as I can tell, this problem still exists. Opus files are still more quiet than other files when using ReplayGain. It would be amazing to get this fixed - it is quite annoying to hear the loudness go up and down across songs simply because some are opus files and others are not.

I am happy to provide new sample files, too.

Thank you!

Do not forget to actually enable normalization;)

It is enabled and works across my non-opus songs!

Then open a proper issue! (See I can put ! too :wink:

But pretty sure you did not actually read the sentence and enabled the actual RG normalization option :wink:

I don’t know what is up with the tone, did I offend you somehow?

I don’t know which settings you are referring to specifically, is it these?

If I need to enable something else, please do tell.

As I said and as written everywhere open a proper issue so not post on a 2 years old post. (Please ?)

Unfortunately, I can’t help on this matter as I’m not facing the issue anymore, but it may be because I’m transcoding my files with EasyAudioSync, and I’m using this feature: https://i.imgur.com/5oK80j4.png

Because of this feature, I don’t think I need the feature originally requested here and therefore, I can’t tell if Symfonium’s feature works as intended.

As shown in the screenshot, the normalisation was already enabled.

I had it set to -18 LUFS before, and that did not work. Upon further testing, it seems to work correctly when set to -23 LUFS. So either the clipping protection or something like that kicks in, or the -18 LUFS option does not work correctly. In any case, with -23 LUFS it seems to work in my quick tests.

And sure, I will be opening a new issue if the need arises. Since it works with -23 this solves it for me personally anyway.